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The most important thing for me was to capture the intent of the song. IMHO, the band's mix was a bit too pop; technically it was great, everything was clear and audible, but it was just too polite, and I wanted my mix to have a bit more of the aggressiveness and attitude that a song like this deserves, nay demands. Having said that, I would normally slam things a bit harder than I have, but I also wanted to maintain the general sound the band already has.

The other key goal was to highlight the vocals - what a rip-snorter of a performance!  Cool

Song sections:
  • 0:00    intro
  • 0:29    verse 1
  • 0:58    verse 2
  • 1:27    chorus 1
  • 1:49    break
  • 2:08    verse 3
  • 2:37    chorus 2
  • 2:59    chorus 3
  • 3:21    drop
  • 3:31    vamp
  • 3:50    chorus
  • 2:59    outro

Note that I lopped off 18 seconds from the start of the song, so add that to the timestamps above if you're referencing the band's mix. In that mix, it takes 29 seconds before the vocal comes in, which is just begging for the listener to hit Next in their playlist  Rolleyes

One big thing I had to deal with was that the kick, bass and guitars were often hitting at the same time, which cause all kinds of problems in the low end. The culprit was mostly the guitar, so I scooped out a big chunk out at 130 Hz, and then adding some dynamic EQ to further control that area. I ended up automating the dynamic EQ to be on only when it was needed, to avoid messing up the tone when it wasn't.

There was also a bit of harshness in the tone, so I added another dynamic EQ at 3.2 kHz to tame that. I also boosted the transients a touch during the choruses, to give them more bite. Finally, I automated the panning of the 2 tracks, from between 50% left/right during the verses, to 100% during the choruses, to provide a contrasting tight vs. wide sound.

The chorus guitars were easy to mix in comparison, just a bit of compression and a small boost at 600 Hz to give it a bit of body, and scoops at 135 Hz and 2.5 kHz to make room for the kick, bass and snare. It's really important that the power chords hit hard, so I also boosted the transients, to give them more bite.

The guitar solo (break/outro) had resonances in the mid-range, so I add a bit of dynamic EQ at 1150 Hz and 3.2 kHz to tame those. I also extended the long held note at the very end, since it felt like it needed to float in the air for just a tad longer.

I liked the band's idea of phasing the guitar solo during the vamp and final chorus, so I did the same, automating it so that it starts off quietly, increasing to full effect by the start of the chorus.

I simplified the kick and bass lines during the first half of the verses, to make it a bit more laid-back, to provide contrast with the second half, which are a bit busier. I also thought the band's mix was too sparse at these times, with just the vocal, kick and snare, so I brought up the guitar a lot, to fill out the sound.

The main vocal was relatively easy to mix, a bit of compression and tape emulation, Vibe EQ to add air. Some phrases were a little dull, so I automated an EQ boost at 6 kHz and above, to bring them in line with the rest of the track. I also extended the scream leading into the vamp, since it cuts off quite abruptly.

I've started playing around with Revoice, so I created a double track for the vocal, to fatten up the sound a bit. I often fatten up a vocal by using an EQ to isolate the main body of the vocal, compressing it hard, and panning it out a bit left and right, with slightly different delays, but the Revoice'd version sounded slightly better (perhaps because it's also tweaking the pitch and timing as well).

I also added in some extra backing vocals during the vamp to add interest, since it seemed like the song wasn't going anywhere at that time. The song is absolutely thumping during that section, but it felt a bit like when you see a band play live, and they've forgotten the arrangement, so they groove along for a chorus while they figure out what to do next Big Grin
thanks for laying out your thoughts.
I felt like i was listening to this in a live situation in a pub with instruments ripping on 10.which is I think your intention.
Ok my take on what i am hearing tone wise, and balance.
Drums, kick is lost n the mix because of the Guitars I need to heard the click of the kick cutting through, around f 5k, or you can cut other stuff around that FQ.
top end end of snare around 1.5kk is over powering the mix . balance of overall drums is lost and has taken away the drive of the song.
I think there is to much compression on main guitars rhythm making things a bit blurred, fuck guitar need to cut through.
your master limiter during solo guitar riff, playing on its own has caused guitar to get mega loud then when all the band comes in the limiter kicks in and lowers the sound . automation on this guitar to level sound would help.
you have captured that rock vocal style. the vocal track when recorded had distorted at time so this has been covered up well.
overall I get what you have done with this track but not sure that fuck rock music is as slamming as this.
Hope this is helpful and all sent with encouragement.

keep on keeping on.
Rustyruss, I'm guessing you meant funk rock, and funk guitar? Never the less, please take care to mind your language as per forum rules.

Thanks!
Whooo!!!!t thanks for that, never noticed that mistake , my bad and apologise to jbstudio.
(17-02-2024, 05:53 PM)Rustyruss Wrote: [ -> ]Whooo!!!!t thanks for that, never noticed that mistake , my bad and apologise to jbstudio.

Big Grin

No worries!

Cheers!
(17-02-2024, 04:45 PM)mikej Wrote: [ -> ]Rustyruss, I'm guessing you meant funk rock, and funk guitar? Never the less, please take care to mind your language as per forum rules.

Thanks!
I am really trying to understand why you put the hammer down on every possible bad word in these threads, yet when the song has foul language in it, it crickets from you. Explain that. If you are concerned about young eyes and ears, why doesn't that include your own content here. Explain that.
(17-02-2024, 06:43 PM)Mixinthecloud Wrote: [ -> ]I am really trying to understand why you put the hammer down on every possible bad word in these threads, yet when the song has foul language in it, it crickets from you. Explain that. If you are concerned about young eyes and ears, why doesn't that include your own content here. Explain that.

[With apologies to jtbStudio for further clogging up the thread]

It really isn't all that difficult or complicated.  As you know, all Mike Senior asks is that we avoid swear words when discussing mixing.  It's a simple forum rule for everyone's benefit that is just there to help to ensure polite discussion, keep the site inclusive, and it also helps to stop things getting out of hand.  Songs that contain explicit lyrics are clearly labelled as such on the library download page.

Thanks.
Apologies to jtbstudio.
I'm sorry you feel that way, Mixinthecloud.  I have escalated your post and concerns.

Thanks.

[note to save confusion - Mixinthecloud has since edited his post #8 that I'm replying to here]
(17-02-2024, 03:35 PM)Rustyruss Wrote: [ -> ]I felt like i was listening to this in a live situation in a pub with instruments ripping on 10.which is I think your intention.
I'm very glad to hear you say that :-) I'm definitely a live specialist (I used to have a music bar, and recorded a lot of the bands), and am very much of the opinion that even if a song was actually recorded over a long period of time at many places around the world, it still should sound like a bunch of guys in a room playing together at the same time.


Quote:Drums, kick is lost n the mix because of the Guitars
Yeah, I have a tendency to under-play drums, partly because of what I said above, and partly as a reaction to the super-clean sound that is so common e.g. in the band's preview mix. I'm more of a wall-of-sound kinda guy. I read an interview once with some famous mixer, and he said that it wasn't so important to hear the kick, as it was to feel it, which I think is good advice. But your point is well taken.



Quote:I think there is to much compression on main guitars rhythm making things a bit blurred

Fair point.


Quote:your master limiter  during solo guitar riff, playing on its own has caused guitar to get mega loud then when all the band comes in the limiter kicks in and lowers the sound
Nah, the guitar is just cranked up too high Undecided The point you make about it making the band sound small when they arrive is spot-on.



Quote:overall I get what you have done with this track  but not sure that fuck rock music is as slamming as this.

Funny you should say that - listening to some of the other mixes, it felt like mine wasn't anywhere near as hard-core. I think because it's still relatively bright, not as squashed together, so it still has that slightly pop feel that the band seems to be looking for.


Thanks for the comments.
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