Hey folks !
Here's my mix.
A pretty simple song for a quite hard mix ! I wanted to make it sound like a vintage rock tune.
So I changed the cymbals which I've found too much modern and crisp. I used some vintage cymbals from Superior Drummer.
I used the DI tracks for the guitars during choruses, with Logic's amp simulator.
Lot of work on vocals : tuning (well I'm a drummer, so I probably forgot some wrong notes
), different work on verse vox and chorus vox...
Tell me what you think !
Haha. Luved the sound of the kick drums. Also, you really changed the vibe of the song, with those vintage cymbals and 'not so bright' guitars. It's hard to say, cuz you're a drummer and your drum sounds really great.
I particularly think you should have taken some different EQ moves in some guitar tracks and push some extra saturation, as there's lots of those DI tracks. They sound good, but they could be a little + wide. But then, I'm just a guitarist guy who started out mixing. Bla bla bla hahahaha
Your mix is greatly balanced, I really enjoyed listening to it
Thanks a lot for your feedback
Well yeah I really didn't want something too much modern, but more old school rock&roll. Actually, I really find the original chorus guitars to have a so different tone from verses'. It's like they come from anther different song.
Just a matter of taste I guess :p
...liking the vision here very much. i'd clean up some of the low end that's creeping into the stereo though, it's tending to cost you some clarity and separation in the mix, especially in mono. perhaps it's your stereo reverb that's upto mischief perhaps (low-cut it?)....or maybe cutting some material out of the low end in the guitars panned to the sides?
nice musical dynamics and changing energy patterns too...cool. but in a way you've overdone it, with too much ooomph on occasion; one moment i'm turning the volume up, the next i'm having a heart attack because it's too loud. i get the idea you are looking for though
great move on the cymbals - is it my ears or is there some phasing going on...something not quite right?
wicked!
(11-11-2015, 05:41 PM)The_Metallurgist Wrote: [ -> ]...liking the vision here very much. i'd clean up some of the low end that's creeping into the stereo though, it's tending to cost you some clarity and separation in the mix, especially in mono. perhaps it's your stereo reverb that's upto mischief perhaps (low-cut it?)....or maybe cutting some material out of the low end in the guitars panned to the sides?
nice musical dynamics and changing energy patterns too...cool. but in a way you've overdone it, with too much ooomph on occasion; one moment i'm turning the volume up, the next i'm having a heart attack because it's too loud. i get the idea you are looking for though
great move on the cymbals - is it my ears or is there some phasing going on...something not quite right?
wicked!
As my room is not treated (only my monitors with ARC 2 and my headphone with Reference 3), I usually struggle with the low ends. Sometimes too much, sometimes not enough... I need to practice more.
The last album I was listening was Steven Wilson's Hand Cannot Erase, which he didn't master at all. I'm really against that loudness war with over compressed audio. So I mastered to get the choruses at -10 dB RMS and leave the verses pretty soft. I like the contrast between them, it makes the song more alive to me.
I only EQ and slightly compressed the cymbals. The two crashes are not equally placed in the stereo field, so that's maybe the reason ?
Anyway, thanks a lot for your feedback
(12-11-2015, 10:07 PM)Mandubien Wrote: [ -> ]I'm really against that loudness war with over compressed audio. So I mastered to get the choruses at -10 dB RMS.....
unfortunately RMS isn't a loudness standard. EBU R128 is and it deals specifically with objective loudness values, rather than subjective loudness (i.e. based on an individuals perception), which is always going to the case when discussing RMS....that's why nobody talks about RMS these days; it has no meaning. you can have 2 different sounds, both producing the same RMS, but one can appear perceptually louder than the other. and i've not even mentioned perceived loudness based on play back levels and spectral content......i could go on!
your chorus was hitting -6.6 LUFS, on the short-term meter. the verses were typically around the -15 LUFS value.
i strongly recommend you do some research on this and inform yourself. if you don't yet have a loudness meter, there are free plugs on the web....i can highly recommend the ToneBoosters EBULoudness meter. make sure you read up fully on the various parameters it displays so you know what it's telling you.
go easy,,
Oh yeah I'm now familiar with the new system, only the fact I upgraded my MBP to El Capitan, and iZotope Ozone could not open anymore in Logic Pro X. I had no other plugin to check my master level in LUFS.
So I used FG-X from Slate Digital to master the song, and put -10 dB RMS for the choruses.
But yeah, -15 to -6,6 LUFS is a big difference, but still like it :p
I usually master to get -13 LUFS as integrated measure (Youtube new standard). Now I have the new Ozone 7 I will check this out