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Whispear To Scream (mixed by konop)
#1
Hello,

My first post and mix here. What do you think about this? There is no automation at all, but no excuses - just information. Hope you'll enjoy.


.mp3    whispear_konop_v01.mp3 --  (Download: 9.74 MB)


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#2
No excuses needed, very nicely done. Like how you've let the bass guitar come through a bit more than some of the other mixes.


Keep it loud!
Johnny Lokke,
www.johnnylokkeband.com
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#3
Thanks!
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#4
Hello

Nice mix but some points I noticed.
The lead voc is really dry. It is clearly in front of the band but maybe too dry to my taste.
The kick drums. Could be a little louder and more click/slap/attack.
The guitar solo might be too loud. It kind of overrun all the other instruments except the drum ohs.
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#5
(16-12-2013, 09:58 PM)konop_tnt Wrote: Hello,

My first post and mix here. What do you think about this? There is no automation at all, but no excuses - just information. Hope you'll enjoy.

Normally with this song I find it better to keep the vocals further back. However, in your version the up front vocals work very well. Oh, and as far as not having any automation goes, I consider that a plus. I believe automation should only be used when necessary; most mixes, IMHO, don't need it if you balance everything well. Nice work! Smile

Speaking of the vocals, that was one of the only problems. Vocals sound a bit too harsh. Sounds like you applied EQ to them in the 5-6 kHz region to try to bring them out of the mix. That might be your problem; you may have overdid it. I suggest no more than 5 dB boost in that region, maybe even 3 or 4.

Also, you need to dial WAY back on your compression in mastering; you can hear it turning up the noise during the ending tailoff and it's causing some unpleasant pumping in the sound of the cymbals. Honestly, I prefer to use NO compression in the master buss; why not try a master without it and see what you get? I realize, of course, I'm in the minority on the whole "no compression during mastering" thing so if you MUST use it then just pull back on it to about half of what you have here and that should eliminate the problems it's causing.
John A. Ardelli
Pedaling Prince Pictures
http://www.youtube.com/user/PedalingPrince
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#6
(08-01-2014, 04:13 AM)Pedaling Prince Wrote:
(16-12-2013, 09:58 PM)konop_tnt Wrote: Hello,

My first post and mix here. What do you think about this? There is no automation at all, but no excuses - just information. Hope you'll enjoy.

Normally with this song I find it better to keep the vocals further back. However, in your version the up front vocals work very well. Oh, and as far as not having any automation goes, I consider that a plus. I believe automation should only be used when necessary; most mixes, IMHO, don't need it if you balance everything well. Nice work! Smile

Speaking of the vocals, that was one of the only problems. Vocals sound a bit too harsh. Sounds like you applied EQ to them in the 5-6 kHz region to try to bring them out of the mix. That might be your problem; you may have overdid it. I suggest no more than 5 dB boost in that region, maybe even 3 or 4.

Also, you need to dial WAY back on your compression in mastering; you can hear it turning up the noise during the ending tailoff and it's causing some unpleasant pumping in the sound of the cymbals. Honestly, I prefer to use NO compression in the master buss; why not try a master without it and see what you get? I realize, of course, I'm in the minority on the whole "no compression during mastering" thing so if you MUST use it then just pull back on it to about half of what you have here and that should eliminate the problems it's causing.

Wow Smile thanks for comments.

About automation: yes, I agree. It should be used only when needed, but... I think in modern music it is a must. And in fact all of us apply automation (more or less). Flying faders during mix it is one thing. But we often divide track and change events gain, we are splitting track into two or more and adjust differnt processing etc. But anyway: I should use automation here IMO.

About vocal harshness: yes, I agree Smile

About master bus: This mix was one of my latest attempt to mix into mastering bus effects chain turned on. Of course settings were adjusted durning mixing process, but there were some initial settings. Right know I prefer this way of working. At the end of the mix I'm not supriesd with the effect. So when it is done, it is done. No guessing, what will be after mastering. And you have right, my mix is overproccessed. It is oalso possible that oh pumping cames from sub-groups not from master bus Smile

In general this was fun to mix, in the mean time I will try mix second version.
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(09-01-2014, 07:47 PM)konop_tnt Wrote: About automation: yes, I agree. It should be used only when needed, but... I think in modern music it is a must.

In my opinion that's too much of a generalization. Every mix is different, and even in modern music there are quite a few mixes out there that simply don't need any automation. Roughly 60% of the 124 mixes I've done here are entirely static and work quite well as they are. Of the remaining 40% the few mixes I've done that include automation usually have automation on only one or two tracks, or maybe a small handful of five or six tracks on occasion.

Only one song I've ever mixed for this site required extensive automation to sound its best: Al James' "Schoolboy Fascination." I think every track but the drum track have SOME kind of automation, as I recall (I don't remember exactly what I did with the automation but I remember that mix had more than any other I've done).

So I'm not averse to doing automation when it's actually needed, but I generally exhaust every other possibility to achieve the desired effect before I resort to automation or compression; those tools do have their place but I find them more effective if used sparingly.

(09-01-2014, 07:47 PM)konop_tnt Wrote: But anyway: I should use automation here IMO.

Well, each of us approaches a mix with our own preferred approach and with our own unique ideas about the sound we're going for. It's your mix; if you think you need automation to get the sound you're after then go for it. I'm only concerned that too many mixers think that ALL mixes need automation when, in fact, they don't; many well recorded tracks virtually mix themselves once you get the overall balance right, requiring little or no fancy automation to bring out their best qualities.

(09-01-2014, 07:47 PM)konop_tnt Wrote: In general this was fun to mix, in the mean time I will try mix second version.

I look forward to hearing that. I like what I've heard so far. Smile
John A. Ardelli
Pedaling Prince Pictures
http://www.youtube.com/user/PedalingPrince
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