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My take on this song
#1
Thought I´d share this mix with you along with my mindset constructing this mix.

I bought Pro Tools 11 when it was released thinking that most plugin manufacturers would tag along and release their 64 bit AAX versions shortly after. This wasn´t the case as many of you know. I am an avid UA fan (no pun intended) and run my mixes mainly on their plugins, and I´m really satisfied with their products.
However, i´ve felt an itch to try out the new Pro Tools and decided that I would only use stock plugins. I started mixing this song and it went really well until I came to the buss compression. Usually I´ll slap on a buss compressor on the master after I´ve found a solid balance for the song (before any plugins) but I had to settle for a D3 compressor or a BF76. I went with the D3. I honestly think that the BF76 should have been scrapped years ago but I also understand why they keep it around.
The D3 dosen´t work as well as a SSL Bus comp simply because it isn´t a modeling of a famous compressor that has been around for 30-40-50 years. And right about here the problems start. I´m so familiar to what the bus compressor is doing to my mixes that I instantly feel that something is missing. I try to remedy that with the D3 but of course I don´t even come close. I have some reduction going on, 1-3db approximately.
My typical order of mixing is Drums – Bass – Vocals(lead) – Guitars – and then the rest.

I started with the drums, it should be mentioned that this song is really well recorded with only Telefunken microphones and Neve preamps into a SSL6000E. When I inserted the 7 band Eq on the kick drum I immediately felt that this mix was going to be finished soon. Not because it was well recorded (it helped though) but because I didn´t have 30-40 EqConfused to choose from. I had 3… 1 band Eq, 7 band Eq and the Channelstrip. I didn´t have to worry about which Eq would be best for this kind of kick drum, what all the pro´s are using right now and what the flavour of the month is. All those trail of thoughts wasn´t in my way anymore. I had it even easier with the dynamics. D3 or BF76… For the snare I used two reverbs, a room and a plate and kept it fairly wet.

After the drums were finshed I headed for the bass, this time I actually used the BF76 and a 7 Band EQ. On the guitars I used the channels trip with some compression and eq. Vocals were a little tricky with some heavy dynamics. Some automation, de essing and heavy compression sorted it out though. Hammond and Piano I used the 7 band eq, no compression and a plate reverb on the piano. There is also a delay on the intro piano as well as the solo guitar. It was 6 back vocal tracks. I panned the as 3 stereo pair. 100, 60 and 15 on the pan knob. I used the 7 band eq and the D3, added a plate and hall reverb to all the tracks and a delay to the 100 panned tracks.

Now to the part were I couldn´t resist anymore…

The mix sounded good and I felt very happy with myself doing so much with so little but the feeling that something was missing were getting the better of me…
I watched the VBC review from Graham at the Recording Revolution earlier today and according to him this was a must have plugin. Needless to say, I got it and he didn´t oversell it at all.
It raised my mix further just letting it pass through without any reduction. For this song I fell for the Fairchild model, adding some high mid and tightened up some low end with 1-2dB of reduction.
I have mixed emotions about this mix. I´m quite happy with it but a little frustrated that I couldn´t go all the way without falling for the "temptation". I guess it goes to show that the plugin manufacturers are here for a reason. Especially UA, Slate Digital, Softtube, Waves, McDSP, Izotope and so on..
Anyways, have a listen and let me know what you think.
Cheers,
/Marcus


.m4a    You and Me And the Radio - Human Radio - Jamolir Mixx.m4a --  (Download: 9.29 MB)


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#2
Hi Marcus,

I think this is a good mix, with good overall balances.
I totally agree with you about plug ins: You only need a few of them, and in my opinion there is a big overkill in the plug-in market. A good mixer can make a great mix with any(limited) tools you give them and a bad mixer will still make a bad mix even having the 'best' equipment in the world.

My comments on your mix is that the tone of the guitars is too much 2K-ish, I have the feeling this doesn't blend well with the rest of the tracks
The drums (snare/kick) has too much compression and looses their transients, maybe decrease the attack times of the compressors?

Good work, and don't feel guilty using only a few plug-ins Smile

Cheers,

RJ


(26-07-2013, 05:10 AM)Jamolir Wrote: Thought I´d share this mix with you along with my mindset constructing this mix.

I bought Pro Tools 11 when it was released thinking that most plugin manufacturers would tag along and release their 64 bit AAX versions shortly after. This wasn´t the case as many of you know. I am an avid UA fan (no pun intended) and run my mixes mainly on their plugins, and I´m really satisfied with their products.
However, i´ve felt an itch to try out the new Pro Tools and decided that I would only use stock plugins. I started mixing this song and it went really well until I came to the buss compression. Usually I´ll slap on a buss compressor on the master after I´ve found a solid balance for the song (before any plugins) but I had to settle for a D3 compressor or a BF76. I went with the D3. I honestly think that the BF76 should have been scrapped years ago but I also understand why they keep it around.
The D3 dosen´t work as well as a SSL Bus comp simply because it isn´t a modeling of a famous compressor that has been around for 30-40-50 years. And right about here the problems start. I´m so familiar to what the bus compressor is doing to my mixes that I instantly feel that something is missing. I try to remedy that with the D3 but of course I don´t even come close. I have some reduction going on, 1-3db approximately.
My typical order of mixing is Drums – Bass – Vocals(lead) – Guitars – and then the rest.

I started with the drums, it should be mentioned that this song is really well recorded with only Telefunken microphones and Neve preamps into a SSL6000E. When I inserted the 7 band Eq on the kick drum I immediately felt that this mix was going to be finished soon. Not because it was well recorded (it helped though) but because I didn´t have 30-40 EqConfused to choose from. I had 3… 1 band Eq, 7 band Eq and the Channelstrip. I didn´t have to worry about which Eq would be best for this kind of kick drum, what all the pro´s are using right now and what the flavour of the month is. All those trail of thoughts wasn´t in my way anymore. I had it even easier with the dynamics. D3 or BF76… For the snare I used two reverbs, a room and a plate and kept it fairly wet.

After the drums were finshed I headed for the bass, this time I actually used the BF76 and a 7 Band EQ. On the guitars I used the channels trip with some compression and eq. Vocals were a little tricky with some heavy dynamics. Some automation, de essing and heavy compression sorted it out though. Hammond and Piano I used the 7 band eq, no compression and a plate reverb on the piano. There is also a delay on the intro piano as well as the solo guitar. It was 6 back vocal tracks. I panned the as 3 stereo pair. 100, 60 and 15 on the pan knob. I used the 7 band eq and the D3, added a plate and hall reverb to all the tracks and a delay to the 100 panned tracks.

Now to the part were I couldn´t resist anymore…

The mix sounded good and I felt very happy with myself doing so much with so little but the feeling that something was missing were getting the better of me…
I watched the VBC review from Graham at the Recording Revolution earlier today and according to him this was a must have plugin. Needless to say, I got it and he didn´t oversell it at all.
It raised my mix further just letting it pass through without any reduction. For this song I fell for the Fairchild model, adding some high mid and tightened up some low end with 1-2dB of reduction.
I have mixed emotions about this mix. I´m quite happy with it but a little frustrated that I couldn´t go all the way without falling for the "temptation". I guess it goes to show that the plugin manufacturers are here for a reason. Especially UA, Slate Digital, Softtube, Waves, McDSP, Izotope and so on..
Anyways, have a listen and let me know what you think.
Cheers,
/Marcus

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#3
Very nice! I'd love to hear what it would sound like mixed with your usual set of tools. You definitely know what you're doing.
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