28-06-2012, 01:20 AM
Yes, Mike,
I see your point very clearly now. What I am curious about is if the vocal will already sit right when the "ride" steps back, or if the vocal itself needs a push. After switching between the reverb and the delay on the vocal a couple of times, I tend to agree that the reverb is indeed already too much.
To say that the delay "pushes forward" the vocal may have been a bit sloppy of me. I agree that it mainly blends the vocal, insofar not "pushing" it. To me, it anchors the vocal on the soundstage, by lending a certain 'positional plausibility' to it. But in doing so, it hints at a position closer to the listener than a reverb would point to. Insofar placing the vocal "forward". I may mishear or overthink things here; I just want to make clear(er) what I had in mind.
I will play with it :-)
Ah, that envelope! I was thinking "ADSR" :-) If that's what an "enveloping bass sound" is, than I am all for it! For this song, anyway.
What I did with the bass was to turn down the amp'ed bass a bit, and low-cut it at 200 Hz or so, go get some right-hand texture without too much of the unevenness of the low end. I think that's in line with what you suggested in your "About" post.
Oh, and I delayed the DI bass by 1 ms, after looking closely at the waveforms and finding them to align slightly nicer this way. (uzilevi already warned me against relying on my eyes too much.)
Other than that (and a very restrained overall low-cut), I did nothing. No chorus. Just basswool :-)
Thanks, Mike! I'm looking forward to working again on this song!
Marc
(27-06-2012, 10:04 PM)Mike Senior Wrote: [...]Basically it just feels that the vocal is further away from me that seems right instinctively, so whatever draws it more forward is going to make me happy. (Incidentally, my gut feeling is that short delays actually tend to blend a vocal, rather than pushing it forward, but that kind of judgements is inevitably subjective.)
I see your point very clearly now. What I am curious about is if the vocal will already sit right when the "ride" steps back, or if the vocal itself needs a push. After switching between the reverb and the delay on the vocal a couple of times, I tend to agree that the reverb is indeed already too much.
To say that the delay "pushes forward" the vocal may have been a bit sloppy of me. I agree that it mainly blends the vocal, insofar not "pushing" it. To me, it anchors the vocal on the soundstage, by lending a certain 'positional plausibility' to it. But in doing so, it hints at a position closer to the listener than a reverb would point to. Insofar placing the vocal "forward". I may mishear or overthink things here; I just want to make clear(er) what I had in mind.
I will play with it :-)
(27-06-2012, 10:04 PM)Mike Senior Wrote: It's partly all that low end, which rolls around the room when you're listening and wraps you up in a warm blanket. But it's also a sense I'm getting of stereo width to the bass -- is there a chorus effect or something on it? Not sure again, but that's a bit what it sounds like.
Ah, that envelope! I was thinking "ADSR" :-) If that's what an "enveloping bass sound" is, than I am all for it! For this song, anyway.
What I did with the bass was to turn down the amp'ed bass a bit, and low-cut it at 200 Hz or so, go get some right-hand texture without too much of the unevenness of the low end. I think that's in line with what you suggested in your "About" post.
Oh, and I delayed the DI bass by 1 ms, after looking closely at the waveforms and finding them to align slightly nicer this way. (uzilevi already warned me against relying on my eyes too much.)
Other than that (and a very restrained overall low-cut), I did nothing. No chorus. Just basswool :-)
Thanks, Mike! I'm looking forward to working again on this song!
Marc