If I'm not mistaken, Loop3 is a rip from the Ballroom Blitz intro, by The Sweet.
I'd be interested to know if the band has rights to publish this in the Public Domain, and whether we, in the forum community, have the right to work, and publish this song herein, with inclusion of said material.
Anyone?
Judging by the skill of the drummer, general production level of the multitracked drums and the amount of piety put into the overall production, I'd say they separately recorded that drum part using similar techniques, equipment and performance to accurately replicate the Ballroom Blitz. I think same principle is true for other various loops as well. Then they just rendered them as audio loops to ease up arranging with in the sequencer. This has been a common workflow in the hiphop and rap scene since it's earliest beginnings, the late 90s. But I might be wrong and that's just an educated guess. ^_^
(04-05-2018, 07:13 PM)Monk Wrote: [ -> ]If I'm not mistaken, Loop3 is a rip from the Ballroom Blitz intro, by The Sweet.
I'd be interested to know if the band has rights to publish this in the Public Domain, and whether we, in the forum community, have the right to work, and publish this song herein, with inclusion of said material.
Anyone?
I agree with kapu ,there are many songs that have been inspired by another song ,I don't think a short 7 second rockabilly drum beat that sounds similar to ball room blitz and many others isn't a big problem there are many versions of the Whole song of ballroom blitz on you tube if they haven't made fortune from the song and the artist doesn't ask you to remove it they will claim copy wright and put adds on it, If you think 7 seconds of a drum loop that sounds similar to the original mixed in the background maybe another sound could replace it .
(04-05-2018, 07:13 PM)Monk Wrote: [ -> ]If I'm not mistaken, Loop3 is a rip from the Ballroom Blitz intro, by The Sweet.
I'd be interested to know if the band has rights to publish this in the Public Domain, and whether we, in the forum community, have the right to work, and publish this song herein, with inclusion of said material.
Anyone?
I believe they did indeed mock this up rather than just lifting it, so I went with it in good faith. Clearly there's no commercial gain here, either, so I hope that even had they been less than frank about it, then we're still not be damaging the original artist's revenue. However, if you feel it's definitely a lift, then I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable hosting the project in principle.
Yes def not an issue since we aren't waging any money and have no commercial interests when posting on this site.
Thanks everyone for chipping in.
Copyright law exists in order to
protect another's original work from being reproduced without their consent.
Claiming non commercial use is no defence.
Duration of an infringing sample is irrelevant, so long as it's long enough to be identified. The case Bridgeport Music, Inc. et. al. vs. Dimension Films et. al springs to mind, involving a 3 note guitar part of 2 seconds duration! It's one of the more famous ones.
It's not only the drum part but the Ian Anderson esq type flute. If a representative of Kangoro is able to categorically confirm this project is entirely their own work and creation, then I can post my mix up without having to look over my shoulder
I hope this helps to clear up the drumbeat Issue if it wasn't a sample lift.
Kurt Dahl is an Entertainment Lawyer and also a touring musician who has studied this subject.
For the answer to the question read Kurt's article, if you are interested.
Search-
Kurt Dahl Can you copyright a drumbeat
Great website if you have questions about music law issues, located in the Recourses tab
Hope this helps
K
(06-06-2018, 03:08 PM)Monk Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks everyone for chipping in.
Copyright law exists in order to protect another's original work from being reproduced without their consent.
Claiming non commercial use is no defence.
Duration of an infringing sample is irrelevant, so long as it's long enough to be identified. The case Bridgeport Music, Inc. et. al. vs. Dimension Films et. al springs to mind, involving a 3 note guitar part of 2 seconds duration! It's one of the more famous ones.
It's not only the drum part but the Ian Anderson esq type flute. If a representative of Kangoro is able to categorically confirm this project is entirely their own work and creation, then I can post my mix up without having to look over my shoulder
Just Wondering why would you even waste your time mixing this when you have a concern about copyright and not just pick another one of over 300 multi tracks then you won't have to look worry about looking over your shoulder ?
Cheers
(12-06-2018, 09:43 AM)thedon Wrote: [ -> ]Just Wondering why would you even waste your time mixing this when you have a concern about copyright
Cheers
Your sarcasm is noted, and it's uncalled for. You gotta chip on your shoulder buddy?
(07-06-2018, 02:28 PM)KMuzic Wrote: [ -> ]I hope this helps to clear up the drumbeat Issue if it wasn't a sample lift.
Kurt Dahl is an Entertainment Lawyer and also a touring musician who has studied this subject.
For the answer to the question read Kurt's article, if you are interested.
Search- Kurt Dahl Can you copyright a drumbeat
Great website if you have questions about music law issues, located in the Recourses tab
Hope this helps
K
Hi Kirk. Not necessarily as I'll explain, but I value your interest and contribution.
It depends which country or legal jurisdiction applies so it's unwise to read generalised and unsubstantiated statements on a web page (there's no reference to legal precedence, for example) and think it's applicable to one's own arguments, discussions or reasoning.
There are significant differences in Copyright Law either side of the Ocean, and this calls for utmost diligence. What might be regarded as legitimate in one country shouldn't be assumed to be legitimate or transferable to another. The site doesn't appear to make this clear, at least not to the casual reader falling on the page, and many readers could be forgiven for making incorrect assumptions and highly risky generalisations by doing so. Before you know it, out pops a myth with consummate ease. People tend to remember myths rather too well.
The case notes for “Metall auf Metall” makes an interesting contrast in Europe; a drum part lift which went to the Supreme Court in Germany. The case was brought by Kraftwerk back in 2008, if I recall correctly. According to the web page that came up, your man stated, and I stand to be corrected, that drum parts can't be copyrighted and makes a bold “no” statement? The German Supreme Court, by way of example, feels differently in so far as this specific case is concerned, but it sets an interesting precedent. There was also a case from a member of the band who was responsible for the clip, who I believe succeeded in making a claim for breach in a lower court?