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The Penniless Wild: Seat Back
31-08-2019, 11:48 PM (This post was last modified: 01-09-2019 07:06 PM by Dilly Waffles.)
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The Penniless Wild: Seat Back
Just a very quick mix of this song to test my instincts.

Found it hard to add life to the drums during the beginning of the solo. They become huge during the solo and for the rest of the song, but I struggled for ideas on how to work with that beginning.

The vocals sound like they were recorded with the singer incredibly close to the mic. Didn't really know how to get rid of that popping problem from him almost spitting into the mic.

Other than that I really enjoyed working the song. Adding some dirt to the keys really gave depth to the mix. Feels big even though there are minimal stems.

Any comments and tips are hugely appreciated

.mp3   The Penniless Wild Seat Back.mp3 --  (Download: 4.14 MB)

.mp3   The Penniless Wild Seat Back Mix 2.mp3 --  (Download: 4.14 MB)

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01-09-2019, 12:44 PM (This post was last modified: 01-09-2019 12:53 PM by Dangerous.)
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RE: The Penniless Wild: Seat Back
Hi DW,

Nice take on this cool track. I like how you have worked with, and emphasised where needed, the natural build through the song. I also like the forwardness of the drums throughout. I think perhaps, your issue with the drums moving into the solo maybe with the snare. If you can give it some impact when it emerges this will give the lift and "life" you could be looking for. As it is, the snare is just too buried.

Now I also reckon you could give the primary guitar a more solid foundation. Some extra weight, slight softening and rounding off would work well. I feel it's roll needs to be firm and consistent from start to finish, but still relaxed. Be careful of that second guitar part when it appears, as it tends to overshadow the first which for me anyway, tends to upset the rhythmic movement of the song that the arpeggio part provides. Try balancing these parts at a low volume making sure the arpeggio part holds it own.

I think you have handled the vocal pretty well. I don't mind the way it was recorded. I gives it quite an intimate raw feel. How to deal with the short comings of this, well that's subjective. Also I agree with your approach to the keys. Adding quite a bit "dirt" was something I also went with in filling out the mix.

A lot of these thoughts are subjective I know, but I hope you find them helpful.

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01-09-2019, 07:13 PM
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RE: The Penniless Wild: Seat Back
Thanks so much for the feedback Dave. I've upped a 2nd mix based on your thoughts.

You were dead right about the snare. Had a listen back and couldn't believe how deep it was. It had a terrible sound so I think that's why I hid it. Re-did it there and made it sound decent, bumped it in the mix and now everything from the solo onwards has much more life.

I've seen a lot of people on the forum dislike the 2nd Gtr and hide it away a bit in the mix. I actually like it quite a lot but totally get what you mean. I find that both guitars fight each other if they're not mixed right. I added parallel compression to the main Gtr and it enters at the same time the second Gtr comes in. I decided I'd low pass it too, just so I could crank it and fill that bottom end without adding too much information into the already crowded high end. Very subtle, but adds that extra weight and consistency that it was lacking
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10-09-2019, 07:04 AM
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RE: The Penniless Wild: Seat Back
Hey Dilly Waffels,
for me a pretty strong low-cut limited the Problem of the pop-noises more or less. Also i tuned the background vocals, what lets them sit better in the mix for my taste. Like the Reverb on the Vocals!
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