12-10-2014, 11:32 AM
can i ask what monitors you're using now? what did you have before?
one of the challenges of a full arrangement, is finding the room to work the levels in order to address the emotional elements in the song. the more instruments, the lower each must sit in the mix otherwise our meters start popping. it also calls for more rigorous EQ and a greater emphasis on losing the irrelevant material as much as possible and of course masking becomes a major obstacle to try and negotiate in this regard. i'm wondering if you had a look at the arrangement to determine which elements were emotional drivers and which were providing the rhythm, before you launched into the mixing process?
there's a great example here where he sings "...reach into the mic and set you free" and a violin comes in @0:50'ish. i think your eagerness(?) to balance the mix and make everything audible in the arrangement might have prevented you from working the emotional delivery. this violin had a job to do but i felt you didn't give it the responsibility of emphasizing and supporting the lyric? it depends on the song...and not all are equal, but if the lyric is communicating a storyline, the instruments are there to support the story rather than simply play and fill up empty spaces. not all instruments are meant to be in the spotlight all of the time, depending on where we are in the lyric and what is being asked emotionally. if it was me, i think i'd be pulling some instruments back and giving others the spotlight here. sometimes we might want the lead guitar upfront and delivering, other times we don't and pulling it back at the right moments (what's "right" though?) will help give space to other stuff. there's a situation also, to help illustrate the point, where the trumpets are blowing, but their levels are stifled by the fader position. trumpets are loud beasts - if you listen to a live Big Band you'll note the trumpets have an ego larger than the band AND the audience combined! they have a role.....they offer major emotional drivers in a song.....great opportunity to exploit them.
i'm finding the acoustic guitar troublesome. i fully understand your strategy was to help make it cut through the mix and be heard. i'm not sure this was a good idea though, because of the outcome - it's highly brittle and a major source of fatigue in my Ovations. it sounds like you hi-passed while pushing the EQ in the treble range where it's harsh harmonics sit and this brought the devil into my ear. the solution to this isn't revisiting it's EQ (there is scope for this perhaps during the verses where it's less busy) but in reflecting on your vision and mix strategy may be? as above...find the elements which are doing the emotional thannng....work them. what was the role of the acoustic guitar? was it necessary to have it playing all the time, say? the other stuff? mute whatever it takes, drop stuff back in the mix with applicable EQ (roll off the treble the further back you want them), pull the fader down, and make sure you use the right reverb to give the illusion of depth... e.g. less and less pre-delay. how big is the space you want to convey; width, depth, height and where is each instrument sitting within it and with respect to the other instruments? create the illusion.
indeed, depth is THE opportunity here to exploit, so the stuff up front is garnering my attention (rather than everything fighting for my attention which will never work because of it's close association with the cause of fatigue), while the other stuff....the stocking filler, is dropped back (or muted....or even deleted totally?). work it and this mix will rock.
did i detect "instrument bias"? musicians can give their instrument-of-choice greater priority in a mix without even knowing it, and i suspect this is happening here. @0:42...the LG is loud, and it's sustain (duration and level) is in the way of the vocal to me. is it also too up-front? these things can be a bit subjective.....so on that note i'll bid you a good day and great mixing
laters
Dave
PS thanx for your Howlin' feedback....i must get back to you chaps on that. so much to do in this place, eh?
one of the challenges of a full arrangement, is finding the room to work the levels in order to address the emotional elements in the song. the more instruments, the lower each must sit in the mix otherwise our meters start popping. it also calls for more rigorous EQ and a greater emphasis on losing the irrelevant material as much as possible and of course masking becomes a major obstacle to try and negotiate in this regard. i'm wondering if you had a look at the arrangement to determine which elements were emotional drivers and which were providing the rhythm, before you launched into the mixing process?
there's a great example here where he sings "...reach into the mic and set you free" and a violin comes in @0:50'ish. i think your eagerness(?) to balance the mix and make everything audible in the arrangement might have prevented you from working the emotional delivery. this violin had a job to do but i felt you didn't give it the responsibility of emphasizing and supporting the lyric? it depends on the song...and not all are equal, but if the lyric is communicating a storyline, the instruments are there to support the story rather than simply play and fill up empty spaces. not all instruments are meant to be in the spotlight all of the time, depending on where we are in the lyric and what is being asked emotionally. if it was me, i think i'd be pulling some instruments back and giving others the spotlight here. sometimes we might want the lead guitar upfront and delivering, other times we don't and pulling it back at the right moments (what's "right" though?) will help give space to other stuff. there's a situation also, to help illustrate the point, where the trumpets are blowing, but their levels are stifled by the fader position. trumpets are loud beasts - if you listen to a live Big Band you'll note the trumpets have an ego larger than the band AND the audience combined! they have a role.....they offer major emotional drivers in a song.....great opportunity to exploit them.
i'm finding the acoustic guitar troublesome. i fully understand your strategy was to help make it cut through the mix and be heard. i'm not sure this was a good idea though, because of the outcome - it's highly brittle and a major source of fatigue in my Ovations. it sounds like you hi-passed while pushing the EQ in the treble range where it's harsh harmonics sit and this brought the devil into my ear. the solution to this isn't revisiting it's EQ (there is scope for this perhaps during the verses where it's less busy) but in reflecting on your vision and mix strategy may be? as above...find the elements which are doing the emotional thannng....work them. what was the role of the acoustic guitar? was it necessary to have it playing all the time, say? the other stuff? mute whatever it takes, drop stuff back in the mix with applicable EQ (roll off the treble the further back you want them), pull the fader down, and make sure you use the right reverb to give the illusion of depth... e.g. less and less pre-delay. how big is the space you want to convey; width, depth, height and where is each instrument sitting within it and with respect to the other instruments? create the illusion.
indeed, depth is THE opportunity here to exploit, so the stuff up front is garnering my attention (rather than everything fighting for my attention which will never work because of it's close association with the cause of fatigue), while the other stuff....the stocking filler, is dropped back (or muted....or even deleted totally?). work it and this mix will rock.
did i detect "instrument bias"? musicians can give their instrument-of-choice greater priority in a mix without even knowing it, and i suspect this is happening here. @0:42...the LG is loud, and it's sustain (duration and level) is in the way of the vocal to me. is it also too up-front? these things can be a bit subjective.....so on that note i'll bid you a good day and great mixing
laters
Dave
PS thanx for your Howlin' feedback....i must get back to you chaps on that. so much to do in this place, eh?
Beware...........Cognitive Dissonance!