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[loweche6]

The room is essentially a large square. It is the basement of the house, and i am near the center of the room, as the basement is filled with stuff collected from years of doing theater. And by large square, I would say approximately a 35' X35' concrete and cinder block basement with no acoustical treatment. . . i mean, I don't see any issues there. . . at all. . . sarcasm. . .

thanks for the info dude. i'll keep my reply short based on this. turning up the sub won't help. your room has modes, frequencies at which it will resonate, based on it's dimensions. a square room is bad and being in the middle of it is not good. as you already know, lack of acoustic treatment has it's issues too so the odds are firmly stacked up against you. the sub will make this situation worse, because it will excite the modes. i'd try and aim for a mix position 38 percent from [the front] wall if you can, but this requires experimentation; it's a step forward. losing the subwoofer and learning how to mix on bass-shy monitors might also be another.....but this depends on how well you can learn to interpret the bass. it can be done (FFT can then help).

however, FFT, spectral jollies and referencing won't help in your CURRENT situation, and neither can forum feedback. because of the nature of the beast, these resonances run all the way up through the frequency range, so you don't merely have a bass problem. headphones have their issues, but in the circumstances with such a bad room, you're 650's will be more reliable.....but nevertheless will hold you back because of the limitations of mixing with headphones.

if you haven't tried mixing without the sub, give it a shot.

So, wasn't completely honest, I would say I'm actually closer to 25% in to theroom, however there is so much big random heavy things in the basement that I shouldn't call it square anymore. Plus odd objects like stairs in the center, and old video store shelves with vhs tapes on them. . . I had to move out of my old room while I dealt with some water issues (which i hope are taken care of now).

When I moved to this spot, it was with the knowledge that it was nowhere near an ideal location, with the room dimension ratios and such, but truth be told I've been in this position for quite a while, and have noticed I had some issues with my low end, but I don't think other mixes felt like they needed so much low end to my ear. I'm going to re-position my mix station and see how it turns out. Thanks again Dave, I'm eventually going to use the master handbook of Acoustics to help finish at least my mixing room here in the basement.

Toodles!
Draper