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About This Multitrack - Mike Senior - 12-06-2012 You can find the multitrack files for this project in the 'Mixing Secrets' Free Multitrack Download Library. Before posting a mix, please read The Three Commandments!
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If you have any other general questions about this multitrack, just reply to this post and I'll see what I can do. RE: About This Multitrack - Kaivalya - 19-07-2012 Hi Mike, had a few questions. You talk about phase issues. Will it be a problem in the stereo mix or will it just stick out when it is summed to mono. Also when i line up the tracks in protools they seem to have a similar waveform and i cannot see any phase issues there. May be I am missing a trick. Would the trim plugin inverting the phase solve the issue or is it a deeper problem. Are you talking about sample delaying the tracks a little bit(how much delay ?) .Could you please elaborate on this. Pardon my ignorance. Also is it advisable to get creative with effects and panning when mixing a live orchestra or should you aim to represent the live setting as closely as possible. For example I am thinking of isolating the harpischord freq wise in the ms pair mic and panning it to the right to balance the loud oboe. Is that what you were intending the MS eq for .Similarly isolating the low strings and panning them in the centre. Would harmonic exciters be advisable or some sort of saturation ? Or are these just used in pop or such mixes. If you could please answer these questions. would be a great help. Phase is still a mystery in this case and generally. Please if you could explain that . thankyou. nitin RE: About This Multitrack - Mike Senior - 19-07-2012 Hi Kaivalya, (19-07-2012, 06:54 AM)Kaivalya Wrote: had a few questions. You talk about phase issues. Will it be a problem in the stereo mix or will it just stick out when it is summed to mono. Also when i line up the tracks in protools they seem to have a similar waveform and i cannot see any phase issues there. May be I am missing a trick. Would the trim plugin inverting the phase solve the issue or is it a deeper problem. Are you talking about sample delaying the tracks a little bit(how much delay ?) .Could you please elaborate on this. Pardon my ignorance. Phase is quite an involved subject when it comes to mixdown, so it's not something I can give a good overview of in a post like this -- which is why I wrote this big article about it a while back. Hopefully that should help with most of the points you raise here, but feel free to ask any specific questions that you feel it doesn't answer and I'll see if I can clarify. Quote:Also is it advisable to get creative with effects and panning when mixing a live orchestra or should you aim to represent the live setting as closely as possible. For example I am thinking of isolating the harpischord freq wise in the ms pair mic and panning it to the right to balance the loud oboe. Well, there are various issues here:
There aren't any easy answers to these questions, though. Indeed, if you compare different classical recordings, you'll hear that they frequently differ quite considerably. Quote:Is that what you were intending the MS eq for? No. I suggested this because the oboe is in the centre of the ORTF image, so EQ'ing the Middle channel with MS EQ could target that more directly without as much impact on the strings. It's a rebalancing suggestion, rather than anything creative. Quote:Would harmonic exciters be advisable or some sort of saturation? Or are these just used in pop or such mixes. Certainly not, although they do tend to crop up more in rock/electronic styles. Such effects can be very useful for adding additional frequency information in pretty much any genre, although clearly you're going to have to keep the kid gloves on when the sources are acoustic so that the listener doesn't smell a rat. RE: About This Multitrack - Mike Senior - 24-03-2020 Just had a PM asking some further questions: Quote:I know this is a long time ago but any chance you remember the preamps / mixer used to record these tracks with and also even more of a long shot - the main Overhead ORTF mics used? I can go better than that, as it happens. Just checked the filing cabinet and various old backup drives, and here's some more info. The ORTF pair were Shure KSM141s, and the vocal spot mic was a Shure KSM132. The MS pair was an AKG C414BXLS and a C414B XLII, and the omni spot mics were Earthworks TC25s. I actually measured the mic distances from the main pair on the day. The TC25s were 130cm and 120cm away respectively, the MS pair was 240cm away, and the vocal spot was 220cm away. As for preamps, all the mics went through a first-generation Mackie 1642VLZ Pro mixer without any EQ, and were then recorded at line level into the built-in TRS inputs of a Roland VS2480 multitrack running in non-data-compressed mode at 24-bit/44.1kHz. Hope that makes sense! RE: About This Multitrack - gar2tone - 25-03-2020 Thank you Mike. Info is very helpful. I am very impressed/surprised with this setup. I know you and Hugh have used the Mackie VLZ on countless Sound on Sound sessions but hearing it here is something different. I am sure this room played a significant role in this sound - but the captured instrumental sound is clean and quiet in the high end "hiss" area - imo. Many thanks again. Cheers. |