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Good on ya, everyone.

I wonder if this song was ever in consideration for the theme to a TV show?

Sometimes the apparent simplicity of a song can be a trap. The simpler something is the easier it is to screw it up. Finding nuance in something like this can be a real boondoggle and I got caught in the trap.

Doing my normal discovery typically reveals stereo placements and other truths and lies, which I usually follow for coherency. I bucked what I heard for the spread of the horns and put the bari up the middle instead of the discovered placement on the left (stage right). I did this because of the power of the instrument. A minor change but significant. Another thing I typically do, especially when there are multiple mics on kicks, snares and guitars is go in and time-align those sources. Interestingly, that appears to have already been done. This allowed me to pan the guitar mics full left and right without them causing issues in mono. The percussion also was pan-able which gave them bounce, movement and ambience. The amount of native reverb on the guitar was a defining factor for a good portion of the over-all balance and subsequent reverb additions.

The leakage of instruments across the board was widespread. However, most of it was very pleasing and added ambience. My first mixes had very little added reverb owing to this. Of course there was the existing chamber and room mics which were used extensively in this mix. Eventually, I did end up adding reverb to drums and horns to help balance the sound field out. My biggest issue was a sometimes sloppy-footed drummer which made the last break a nightmare to get sounding solid. I used a lot more compression than I normally do on just about everything, especially the kick drum which has compression on each mike and compression on the kick buss. Extensive EQ was also used on the kicks, similarly. The outside mic was used primarily for click with a very high high-pass filter on it. It was otherwise way too floppy sounding. One of the discoveries from the room mics and leakage was the nature of the kick drum sound. It had a very heavy mid-range click to it.

I found it difficult to breathe a lot of excitement into this arrangement. It is solid and steady and powerful with little flare so getting it to spark was a chore. I'm not sure I quite got there, but this is what I've got so far. There is not much automation currently but for the guitar solo. More may be necessary to find more nuance from this very solid band and good recording of them.

Your ears and input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
mITc

PS.: I read Mike's notes regarding the trombone track. Many mixers did not. Oddly enough, the offset of the trombone offers an interesting call and response to the horn section even though you can clearly hear the issue when solo'd.
Sweet sweet sounding horns! Also, bass/kick works really well. I know they are often adviced to be one above the other, but I like it more your way, so the kick hit reinforces the bass note without calling attention on itself. To me, those are the highlights of this tasty no-nonsense mix.

I don't care that much for the too detailed percussion. That microscope approach makes it feel like the guy is not giving it all. I think this part could bring more energy and tension way masked under other parts, so it feels like it is fighting to cut thru, if that makes sense.

(07-02-2019 03:02 PM)Mixinthecloud Wrote: [ -> ]I found it difficult to breathe a lot of excitement into this arrangement.

If you are too respectful of this recording and performance, it kinda ends up feeling too much comfy and relaxed. Maybe some lively reverb on the snare and a more prominent and nastier guitar treatment could help to bring some bite?

(07-02-2019 03:02 PM)Mixinthecloud Wrote: [ -> ]Oddly enough, the offset of the trombone offers an interesting call and response to the horn section.[/font][/size]

If not for the drums bleed, which makes it unlistenable. But yeah, you might almost think it was intentional.
hi! sounds nice. bottom snare could go down. but indeed sounds very good. great work! ^_^
(08-02-2019 01:09 PM)kapu Wrote: [ -> ]hi! sounds nice. bottom snare could go down. but indeed sounds very good. great work! ^_^

I was trying to find a bit of sparkle in the snare and found it with the bottom mic, but a good point you've made.

Thanks for the listen.
It feels really good. I think moving the Bari to the center makes sense both as a part and sonically. I really like the kick sound but it may be a hair dominant in the mix. Not so much 'loud' as 'weighty', if that makes sense.
That's it really. Good job.
(08-02-2019 10:01 PM)RoyMatthews Wrote: [ -> ]It feels really good. I think moving the Bari to the center makes sense both as a part and sonically. I really like the kick sound but it may be a hair dominant in the mix. Not so much 'loud' as 'weighty', if that makes sense.
That's it really. Good job.

Roy,
Thanks for the listen and comment. I was listening to my mix again this morning and remarked to myself how 'weighty' the kick sounded, and I decided I really liked it because of that! I'll need to listen on my phone and see how it sounds there before I commit to any edits.

Again, thanks for the input.
(08-02-2019 02:24 PM)Mixinthecloud Wrote: [ -> ]I was trying to [...]

yes. i think the actual snare hit sounds good. the bleed during kick is a bit too much. maybe some top snare triggered gating or something similar could work. ^_^
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